[plt-scheme] planet: help submitting bugs & a question

In that case, your answer to me is clear, but now I don't understand
your answer to Grant.  In what way did not mean "not an end user"?

--Carl

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Robby Findler <robby at cs.uchicago.edu> wrote:
> I can see how what I wrote was perhaps unclear. I meant the person
> whose machine actually has the contract violation. Carl also seems to
> mean that. Clear now?
>
> Robby
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Felix Klock's PLT scheme proxy
> <pltscheme at pnkfx.org> wrote:
>> Robby: "I meant the user of the planet package (a programmer), not an end
>> user of the software."
>>
>> Carl: "it is the end user who matters ... Any time a program crashes in
>> Windows or Mac OS, I get asked if I want to send the bug report to Microsoft
>> or Apple respectively, and it's not like the OS knows I'm a programmer"
>>
>> Robby: "Are we not all saying the same thing?"
>>
>> I think you two definitely are *not* saying the same thing.  (All of the
>> above quotes appear in context below.)
>>
>> -Felix, (who agrees with Carl, for the record)
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2008, at 10:17 AM, Robby Findler wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, yes. All along: the person who gets the error message gets to
>>> decide to submit it. Are we not all saying the same thing?
>>>
>>> Robby
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Carl Eastlund <cce at ccs.neu.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Robby Findler <robby at cs.uchicago.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Grant Rettke <grettke at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How would a user know what they should and they should not send when a
>>>>>> contract is violated? It would be confusing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry -- we seem to be miscommunicating.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I wrote "user" I meant the user of the planet package (a
>>>>> programmer), not an end user of the software.
>>>>
>>>> Wait... I think it is the end user who matters.  If Albert writes an
>>>> encryption routine, and Bob uses it to write an online store, and Curt
>>>> tries to buy something and it hits a bug, we should ask Curt if he
>>>> wants to send the error report so he can say "no, don't send any data,
>>>> I just typed my credit card number in".  We don't want to send Curt's
>>>> credit information to Bob and ask him if Al can have it; Bob shouldn't
>>>> have it to begin with.
>>>>
>>>> Curt doesn't have to know any technical details, he just needs to know
>>>> whether or not the application involved had any private data.  Any
>>>> time a program crashes in Windows or Mac OS, I get asked if I want to
>>>> send the bug report to Microsoft or Apple respectively, and it's not
>>>> like the OS knows I'm a programmer.  The same principle applies to
>>>> Planet and PLT.
>>>>
>>>> --Carl