[racket-dev] Wikipedia page

On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:44 AM, John Clements wrote:

> 
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Eli Barzilay wrote:
> 
>> On Jun  8, John Clements wrote:
>>> I've taken a first crack at creating a 
>>> 
>>> Racket (programming language)
>>> 
>>> page in wikipedia, simply by copying the first few chunks of the PLT
>>> Scheme page.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> To explain what looks like an overexcited bang -- it was one of the
>> items in my todo list.  One thing that I've seen is that you dropped
>> .ss and .scm from the file suffixes, but I think that they should be
>> left in?  Maybe there's a way to say that they're not common suffixes
>> but related ones?
>> 
>> 
>>> FWIW, there's also a DrScheme page to update and presumably a whole
>>> pile of references to PLT scheme, membership in various categories,
>>> etc.
>> 
>> Right -- I think that the right way to do that is once the Racket page
>> has enough meat (= covers everything that the PLT Scheme page does),
>> then the PLT Scheme page should turn into a redirection to Racket, and
>> the Racket page would obviously have an entry about it being called
>> PLT Scheme until now.
>> 
>> Similarly, the DrScheme page should be renamed to DrRacket with a
>> forwarding thing and a note about the earlier name.
>> 
>> You've probably seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_rename_a_page
>> right?
> 
> I took a look at that page, and our situation (the underlying project was renamed) doesn't seem to fit their criteria, which all have to do with errors in encyclopedization.  My guess is therefore that it's better to create a new page, though I don't honestly know what the semantic differences between creating a page and moving it are; the history will be lost[*], obviously, but there may be other effects that make one preferable to the other.  It looked to me like creating a new page was the "conservative" choice.
> 
> .... I just took a look at this page
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves
> 
> though, and one relevant example jumps out at me, which is the change from "iPhone OS" to "iOS".  That was handled as a rename.
> 
> Okay, maybe a rename is the right way to go.

Followup: I renamed DrScheme to DrRacket without incident.  Deleting Racket (programming language) is harder, so I put in an admin request on this, and carried on editing the PLT Scheme content to refer to Racket.

A couple of questions:

1) In sentences such as "DrScheme is a part of PLT Scheme", I'm guessing this should turn into "DrRacket is a part of the Racket project", or something similar.

2) More generally, it appears that "PLT Scheme" should be replaced with "Racket", meaning that the PLT disappears. Yes?

3) The examples on the wikipedia page are utterly loathsome, leaving the reader with the impression that "hello world" requires ten lines of GUI garbage.

John

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