[plt-scheme] planet: help submitting bugs & a question

I was thinking of an "end user" as someone who uses some complete
software application (that possibly involves planet packages). Such a
person is not typically running inside drscheme and they won't see the
blue icon.

Robby

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Carl Eastlund <cce at ccs.neu.edu> wrote:
> In that case, your answer to me is clear, but now I don't understand
> your answer to Grant.  In what way did not mean "not an end user"?
>
> --Carl
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Robby Findler <robby at cs.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>> I can see how what I wrote was perhaps unclear. I meant the person
>> whose machine actually has the contract violation. Carl also seems to
>> mean that. Clear now?
>>
>> Robby
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Felix Klock's PLT scheme proxy
>> <pltscheme at pnkfx.org> wrote:
>>> Robby: "I meant the user of the planet package (a programmer), not an end
>>> user of the software."
>>>
>>> Carl: "it is the end user who matters ... Any time a program crashes in
>>> Windows or Mac OS, I get asked if I want to send the bug report to Microsoft
>>> or Apple respectively, and it's not like the OS knows I'm a programmer"
>>>
>>> Robby: "Are we not all saying the same thing?"
>>>
>>> I think you two definitely are *not* saying the same thing.  (All of the
>>> above quotes appear in context below.)
>>>
>>> -Felix, (who agrees with Carl, for the record)
>>>
>>> On Sep 2, 2008, at 10:17 AM, Robby Findler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, yes. All along: the person who gets the error message gets to
>>>> decide to submit it. Are we not all saying the same thing?
>>>>
>>>> Robby
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Carl Eastlund <cce at ccs.neu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Robby Findler <robby at cs.uchicago.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Grant Rettke <grettke at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How would a user know what they should and they should not send when a
>>>>>>> contract is violated? It would be confusing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry -- we seem to be miscommunicating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I wrote "user" I meant the user of the planet package (a
>>>>>> programmer), not an end user of the software.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wait... I think it is the end user who matters.  If Albert writes an
>>>>> encryption routine, and Bob uses it to write an online store, and Curt
>>>>> tries to buy something and it hits a bug, we should ask Curt if he
>>>>> wants to send the error report so he can say "no, don't send any data,
>>>>> I just typed my credit card number in".  We don't want to send Curt's
>>>>> credit information to Bob and ask him if Al can have it; Bob shouldn't
>>>>> have it to begin with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Curt doesn't have to know any technical details, he just needs to know
>>>>> whether or not the application involved had any private data.  Any
>>>>> time a program crashes in Windows or Mac OS, I get asked if I want to
>>>>> send the bug report to Microsoft or Apple respectively, and it's not
>>>>> like the OS knows I'm a programmer.  The same principle applies to
>>>>> Planet and PLT.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Carl
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