<html> <head> <style></style> </head> <body class='hmmessage'> <br><div><div>On Nov 4, 2010, at 9:45 AM, wooks . wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">Unless you are headed for CS grad school or  are Google/Microsoft material (by ability or by being in a brand name school) nobody really cares about your CS degree.<br></span></span></blockquote></div><br><div><br></div><div>I think this is an overly narrow perspective. </div><div><br></div><div>NEU works with a lot of co-op employers (100s) and almost all of them care about high quality programming. Indeed, they forced NEU to re-train MS students when they enter because the typical NEU/MS co-op student wasn't as good as the undergraduates we produce. </div><div><br></div><div>I am sure there are companies that don't care what kind of software they produce but there is a dearth of good programmers as far as our co-op employers are concerned. </div><div><br></div><div>-- Matthias</div><div><br><br>Everybody (including most companies, including me before I was exposed to  the Design Recipe and FP) thinks the software they produce is good. <br><br>Many companies are not enlightened enough to seek alliances with universities that are producing well trained programmers. <br><br>I would absolutely agree that there is a dearth of good programmers etc but the response of many employers to this problem is to widen their recruitment outside (and often far far outside) of the discipline. <br><br><br><br><br><br></div> </body> </html>