[racket] R7RS and Racket in the (far) future

From: Matthias Felleisen (matthias at ccs.neu.edu)
Date: Sun Feb 10 18:03:07 EST 2013

No defensiveness on our side. 

We are Racket and that's all, no more and no less. -- Matthias

On Feb 10, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Da Gamer wrote:

> I'm not sure if you misread my question, but I'll reclarify what I said.
> First, I know that Racket is its own language. 
> Second, I'm not talking about R6RS. I was talking about R7RS small and large.
> Third, as someone who hasn't been in the Racket community long but knows that it is a Scheme variant, I don't see why there is an issue of asking such a question. Is there any need to be defensive and hostile? I can't see the idea being that outrageous, untenable, or completely unnecessary. 
> Fourth, I said "in the future". As in has there been any thoughts on it. If yes and there was a decision not to go that route, then why not share why? Point out pros and cons, etc. 
> In short, I don't need see why my question was taken as an "attack" on the language not as user's/student's curiosity.
> --- On Sun, 2/10/13, Michael Wilber <mwilber at uccs.edu> wrote:
> From: Michael Wilber <mwilber at uccs.edu>
> Subject: Re: [racket] R7RS and Racket in the (far) future
> To: "Da Gamer" <game_beta2003 at yahoo.com>, users at racket-lang.org
> Date: Sunday, February 10, 2013, 12:13 AM
> (disclaimer: i'm just a user; what i say doesn't reflect the rest of the
> community)
> "Racket" is a programming language lab. Both RxRS, and the rest of the
> "separate Racket language" that you allude to, are built on top of it,
> not the other way around.
> What would be the advantage of being built on top of R6RS? What you're
> proposing seems like just a semantic change to me. If it's because
> you're uncomfortable about Racket "messing with the standard", I really
> recommend that you take a look at this thread from last year and the
> related messages:
> http://lists.racket-lang.org/users/archive/2011-May/045448.html
> http://lists.racket-lang.org/users/archive/2011-May/045448.html
> As Neil Van Dyke wrote,
>    "When industry people come from other languages to look at Racket,
>     they've already placed Racket in their conceptual framework, where
>     "standard" is heavily loaded.  So, when these people read in Wikipedia
>     and memetic descendants of Wikipedia that R6RS is the "standard", even
>     though I think R6RS should be shot in the gut and left in a ditch to die
>     painfully, people naturally assume that R6RS is the obvious way to go.
>     "Use non-standard?!  Get back from me, you satan!"
>     So they spend the weekend trying to do something in R6RS, stumbling over
>     little headaches doing that in Racket, ask questions, and are suspicious
>     when Racket people try to tell them to just do things in a non-R6RS way
>     that sounds like sneaky "proprietary non-standard extensions lock-in
>     bad-engineering" salesmanship.  In a day or two, they've lost interest
>     or written off "Scheme", and they move on to the next interesting thing
>     to look at."
> Da Gamer <game_beta2003 at yahoo.com> writes:
> > I was wondering if Racket at any point in the future will be libraries built from or on top of R7RS small and big proper (or any future standard RxRS really).  As opposed to being its own language.
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