[plt-scheme] Re: Poacher turned gamekeeper

I wasn't responding to Matthias's message specifically, just the general issue.

I do like Matthias's exercise (obviously, I'm biased where that
particular problem is concerned <-;).

These are all different ways of getting the captives to calm down and
start thinking and paying attention.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Robby Findler
<robby at eecs.northwestern.edu> wrote:
> I agree with not being hostile, but Matthias's exercise can be quite
> valuable. Captives who don't want to be there are worse than people
> who can go away if they want and his exercise can convert some, if
> done with a bit of care.
>
> Robby
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Shriram Krishnamurthi <sk at cs.brown.edu> wrote:
>>> They are a captive audience. They do not have the option of dropping
>>> the course.
>>
>> Then don't be hostile.  You will already face a little resentment for
>> doing things non-traditionally.  Show them instead why it's better.
>> After showing them animations with World, show them that you have
>> already introduced them to what is generally considered an "advanced
>> software engineering" topic (MVC, for us) in week 1.
>>
>> Just last week a major practitioner of software methodology (big-time
>> author, consultant) wrote asking for access to our World material, to
>> teach his child, on the grounds that it embodied the methodology he
>> used and preached in his professional life.
>>
>> Shriram
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