[plt-scheme] Re: Programming for non-programmers

Believe me, Gerry Sussman used scheme ;-) 

Mike

> From: Richard Cleis <rcleis at mac.com>
> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:59:39 -0600
> 
> Thanks for the tip; I found the following reference.  Now I need to 
> find out if he used Scheme.
> 
> Numerical evidence that the motion of Pluto is chaotic,"
> Gerald Jay Sussman and Jack Wisdom, in Science, 241, 22 July 1988.
> 
> >
> >>  what if programmers don't feel that they are limited?
> >
> > [Sorry no rotten tomatoes please.]
> >
> > The average programmer has never ever any incentive to become more 
> > productive. His boss is happy, his paycheck comes in on time, his 
> > hours are okay, what else does he want?
> 
> No offense taken.  After 20 years, I am beginning to suspect myself!
> 
> >
> > Can you show them that you can accomplish more than they can? Even if 
> > you can, it wouldn't change their mind until they are told to perform 
> > at your level.
> 
> I am trying, and want to begin another phase: some local seminars; that 
> is why I entered this thread.  Chart-1 can contain the Sussman-Pluto 
> example.  The Subaru Telescope Project is another (they use Lisp for 
> Observatory planning and scheduling).  My own successes with telescope 
> control can complete a triple-play: analysis, management, and 
> engineering.  However...
> >
> > Killer apps? That's a content question, not a tool question.
> 
> ...I have little experience in teaching Scheme, so I was looking for 
> Killer *presentation* ideas that are likely to Foster more interest in 
> programming in the language.
> 
> >
> > -- Matthias
> >
> 
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> Thanks for the tip; I found the following reference.  Now I need to
> find out if he used Scheme.  
> 
> 
> Numerical evidence that the motion of Pluto is chaotic," 
> 
> Gerald Jay Sussman and Jack Wisdom, in Science, 241, 22 July 1988.
> 
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> <excerpt> what if programmers don't feel that they are limited?
> 
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> 
> [Sorry no rotten tomatoes please.]
> 
> 
> The average programmer has never ever any incentive to become more
> productive. His boss is happy, his paycheck comes in on time, his
> hours are okay, what else does he want?
> 
> </excerpt>
> 
> No offense taken.  After 20 years, I am beginning to suspect myself!
> 
> 
> <excerpt>
> 
> Can you show them that you can accomplish more than they can? Even if
> you can, it wouldn't change their mind until they are told to perform
> at your level.
> 
> </excerpt>
> 
> I am trying, and want to begin another phase: some local seminars;
> that is why I entered this thread.  Chart-1 can contain the
> Sussman-Pluto example.  The Subaru Telescope Project is another (they
> use Lisp for Observatory planning and scheduling).  My own successes
> with telescope control can complete a triple-play: analysis,
> management, and engineering.  However...
> 
> <excerpt>
> 
> Killer apps? That's a content question, not a tool question.
> 
> </excerpt>
> 
> ...I have little experience in teaching Scheme, so I was looking for
> Killer *presentation* ideas that are likely to Foster more interest in
> programming in the language.
> 
> 
> <excerpt>
> 
> -- Matthias
> 
> 
> </excerpt>
> --Apple-Mail-15--796704280--
>