<div dir="ltr">I repent. While a reversible (install/uninstall) system-wide build / install from source has some value in cases, I now doubt there is adequate ROEMOF, return on effort and maintenance of feature.<div><br> </div><div style>Overall, for me, a trimmer "core" Racket installation is for more valuable.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Eli Barzilay <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eli@barzilay.org" target="_blank">eli@barzilay.org</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Yesterday, Ray Racine wrote:<br> > On installation issues:<br> ><br> > 1) Yes on defaulting to an installation-wide install as default.<br> <br> Matthew didn't suggest this as a default for all cases -- but just to<br> be clear: an installation-wide as default is not something that is<br> always better. In fact, it is in many cases worse. For example, on<br> Linux (and probably on OSX) you can end up with permission errors,<br> which can easily lead people down the usual path of sudo-ing the<br> command which now means running random code as root (and most people<br> would do a sudo since that doesn't require reading more, and will miss<br> whatever flags are needed for private installation). Another example<br> is what can happen on Windows -- wither get some intimidating popup<br> telling you about changing system directories, or worse, get the<br> "feature" of windows pretending to save files in the right place but<br> really putting them in your own directory.<br> <br> <br> > 3) Many (even most) of the collections library are non-core and IMHO<br> > should be evicted out into separate github hosted projects with<br> > drop-dead simple installation via Planet2 on demand. I know this<br> > sounds harsh, but collects is over due for a healthy paring, if not<br> > a full blown gastric by-pass.<br> <br> Absolutely. There are many sub-packages in the core now that got in<br> based on the assumption that they'll turn into independent packages.<br> There are also some people (ahem) who were screaming for ages about<br> bad spaghetti dependency graphs which will cause huge problems when<br> trying to get to a small core.<br> <br> (/me does an image query for "repent".)<br> <div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br> --<br> ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Eli Barzilay:<br> <a href="http://barzilay.org/" target="_blank">http://barzilay.org/</a> Maze is Life!<br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>