[racket-dev] [plt] Push #27862: master branch updated

Oh, yes. I meant to add this to my message. This is a bit part of why I
think the package system is going to work well: there is now some movement
in this good direction. (Jacob and Matthias and I had talked about social
"stuff" in the context of planet a bunch, but a) didn't do enough and b)
had a slightly different emphasis -- but b) probably would have changed if
we'd dug into it.)

Robby


On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Jay McCarthy <jay at racket-lang.org> wrote:

> And similarly, the package system is a social curation system to
> monitor packages for good behavior, which planet does do (but could
> have and could now.)
>
> Jay
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Robby Findler
> <robby at eecs.northwestern.edu> wrote:
> > In short "yes". But that short answer isn't where we should stop. :)
> Really,
> > this is about a design decision that's different between planet and the
> > package system: in planet, "running" a program was sufficient for
> installing
> > packages. In the package system you have to take an explicit step to
> > "install" the package.
> >
> > I used quotes there because the devil is a bit in the details here (as
> Jay
> > points out with his "some macro tricks" comment) but really what we're
> > talking about is that design difference and UX issues. Overall, I feel
> like
> > the package system's different design decisions are the right way to go
> but
> > that we should keep planet being planet (and Jay and I had a discussion
> > about that offline), which is why he reverted one of those commits.
> >
> > And to clear up the check syntax thing: there is no way that online check
> > syntax could have installed a planet package (or, for that matter, made
> any
> > changes to your file system). You would have had to Run the program or
> > explicitly ask for it to be compiled or something like that.
> >
> > Make more sense?
> >
> > Robby
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Matthias Felleisen <
> matthias at ccs.neu.edu>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Am I naive or isn't any download of any package opening the door to such
> >> tricks?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 27, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Jay McCarthy wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Robby Findler
> >> > <robby at eecs.northwestern.edu> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Jay McCarthy <jay at racket-lang.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> If I have background expansion on, then when I open that file it
> >> >>> installs the package.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> As I wrote in my previous message, it doesn't do that for me. And I
> >> >> don't
> >> >> see how it could do that, actually. Are you saying that you tried
> this?
> >> >
> >> > Yes. I put that in a file and opened it up with DrRacket then got the
> >> > "Can't download a Planet package" error message as-if the install were
> >> > stopped.
> >> >
> >> >> Can you explain how you have configured DrRacket to disable the
> >> >> security
> >> >> guard that is installed by the background expansion process, please?
> >> >
> >> > Perhaps my trial was bad because the security guard would have stopped
> >> > the network access but my error stopped the library from attempting
> >> > the network access?
> >> >
> >> > Regardless, "Check Syntax" (I think?) or compilation in Racket would
> >> > have installed it. [Now, obviously the same macro tricks could
> >> > explicitly call download/install-pkg... but I think it is a bit feeble
> >> > to say "Check Syntax" should make no attempt to prevent package
> >> > installation.]
> >> >
> >> >> Meanwhile, I would like to point out that your commit has completely
> >> >> disabled planet. No packages can be installed. Did you run any test
> >> >> suites
> >> >> after making this change?
> >> >
> >> > I tried to install and fetch some packages. I see now that I committed
> >> > in the "racket/collects" directory but the changes to make that work
> >> > were in the "pkgs/planet-pkgs" directory so I stupidly missed them.
> >> >
> >> > Jay
> >> >
> >> >> Robby
> >> >>
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> >
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