This sounds great. I'm curious how it compared to snap, which is scratch like, but with more abstraction capabilities and more FP mixed in. One key thing to aim for I believe is the online component. This is where scratch really shines. They manage to male coding a highly social activity, which makes it much more engaging. I'd love to beta test with my kids and report back. y <div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 28, 2012 4:08 PM, "Shriram Krishnamurthi" <<a href="mailto:sk@cs.brown.edu">sk@cs.brown.edu</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Yaron, this summer my students, Kathi Fisler, and I built a block-based, functional language with types (expressed as colors) and testing. It runs in the browser, uses the WeScheme runtime and can express most Bootstrap programs. It needs more polish before we can release it to the world. We would be happy to give previews to anyone who wants to see them. -- Sent from phone. Please pardon terseness and mistakes. <div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 28, 2012 7:38 AM, "Yaron Minsky" <<a href="mailto:yminsky@gmail.com" target="_blank">yminsky@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> To be clear, I'm firmly interested in tinkering, which is why I'm using universe.ss and image.ss. I do think that a good design goal for Racket's kid-oriented libraries would be to be feature compatible with Scratch. It would be great if there were good ways of doing everything that Scratch can do, from playing sounds to detecting collisions, to (more aggressively) on-line hosting of the final result. I'd love it if Racket were strictly better than Scratch for someone who really can figure out how to program, but it's just not true now. y On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Hendrik Boom <<a href="mailto:hendrik@topoi.pooq.com" target="_blank">hendrik@topoi.pooq.com</a>> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 08:56:13PM -0500, Yaron Minsky wrote: >> I've been weaning my son off of Scratch in favor of Racket, and trying >> to get him to write interactive games using universe.ss and image.ss. >> I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions for how to do things like >> collision detection. image.ss has these nice first-class images, but >> I don't see a good way of querying two images to see if they overlap. >> >> Has anyone else had luck in doing this? universe has a nice >> programming model, but I've found it challenging to find simple ways >> of doing the kinds of things that Scratch makes easy. > > There are two arts to collision detection: figuring out whether two > images collide (which gets trickier when they're in motion) and > organising all your objects so you don't have to test very many > combinations of them. > > Both of these can get quite complicated, and are susceptible to > nontrivial, complicated, and often necessary efficiency improvements > depending on special properties of the game. > > A one-size-fits-all solution may be good enough for tinkering with, but > serious use may well need serious hacking. > > -- hendrik > ____________________ > Racket Users list: > <a href="http://lists.racket-lang.org/users" target="_blank">http://lists.racket-lang.org/users</a> ____________________ Racket Users list: <a href="http://lists.racket-lang.org/users" target="_blank">http://lists.racket-lang.org/users</a> </blockquote></div> </blockquote></div>