<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; ">[... snip]<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">After all, programs are mathematical constructs (which happen to execute) built by people. The building of programs requires some mathematical understanding even if the writer does not realize it. Perhaps, it is time to think of mathematics as programming. Now, that would be a cool paradigm shift!</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">We have worked on this shift for 12 years. See "rebels with a cause" for example.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">My first NSF proposal on TS!/PLT was "replacing mathematics with programming." You can imagine where that got me then</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>What is "Rebels with a Cause?" My Google searches are hammered with a Hacktivism book.</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>How literal is the phrase "replacing mathematics with programming?" </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Regarding students who are afraid of mathematics... What is the reason that they study computer science?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>rac</DIV></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Courier; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV>"We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything." </DIV><DIV> -- Thomas Edison</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN> </DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>