Just to make sure that it dosn't sound like i'm trashing Mred, I'll let everyone know that I'm currently using Mred. Corey <div>On 1/6/07, Matthias Felleisen <<a href="mailto:matthias@ccs.neu.edu">matthias@ccs.neu.edu</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> As I said, I want both and I am grateful for the effort. I do insist that MrEd isn't undersold. It's much much more than people say it is. -- Matthias On Jan 6, 2007, at 5:09 PM, Ray Racine wrote: > To point out an analogy to the Java world: > >       -Sun Swing: Low level drawing runtime upon which a tightly meshed, > fully Java-ish widget set was built.  Lots of advantages, cons: not > native look & feel, slow... > >       -IBM/Eclipse SWT: Full top to bottom Peer bindings to the contextual, > to the running app, native widget set, pros: fast, familiar and snappy > L&F, cons: requires explicit memory management etc, loss of > smoothness. > > Both continue to do well and many Java people bounce from one to the > other as to what best fits the bill. > > The analogy is not equivalence but interesting similarity to me > nonetheless. > > That debate, btw, has been running in Java-land for - years.  And it > ain't over yet.  Depending on the success of the the mzgtk2 bindings I > could see this topic breaking out on this list for years to come 2-3 > times a year.  Mark your calendars now. > > I will say, as someone, who is coming back to Scheme (because it _is_ > constantly getting better and better and better) from a 2-3 year > wander > in the desert of PL, as a pretty hardcore Linux guy, who sees GTK all > the live-long-day, and who as I type is rotating Gnome desktops as > facets on a 3-D polygon cube (OpenGL-3D accelerated), those > screenshots > that Hans posted ... well, visual Viagra, practically passed out and > dropped my new laptop from the nose dive in blood pressure. > > > On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 14:48 -0500, Matthias Felleisen wrote: >> Matthew has tightly integrated the executable and the GUI system... > > _________________________________________________ >   For list-related administrative tasks: >   <a href="http://list.cs.brown.edu/mailman/listinfo/plt-scheme"> http://list.cs.brown.edu/mailman/listinfo/plt-scheme</a> _________________________________________________   For list-related administrative tasks:   <a href="http://list.cs.brown.edu/mailman/listinfo/plt-scheme"> http://list.cs.brown.edu/mailman/listinfo/plt-scheme</a> </blockquote></div> -- ((lambda (y) (y y)) (lambda (y) (y y)))