[racket] syntax, differently

Correct, these are two different issues.
Jos 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Cleis [mailto:rcleis at mac.com] 
> Sent: 31 July 2010 22:44
> To: Jos Koot
> Cc: Matthias Felleisen; Robby Findler; Eli Barzilay; racket List
> Subject: Re: [racket] syntax, differently
> 
> I think we are talking about several things, here.
> 
> One of them is about reformatting the whole file and another 
> is reformatting locally when the programmer is approaching a 
> line length of 80.
> 
> I program with full trust in the Dr's ability to auto-indent 
> and check- syntax, so I do both constantly.  That way, I am 
> never surprised by a big change in the file.  Nearly the same 
> result could almost be achieved by live auto formatting of 
> only the definition undergoing editting.  ('almost', because 
> there are ghosts to haunt anyone who attempts such an 
> implementation).  I would have attempted this awhile ago if I 
> knew how to get started.
> 
> The line-length issue is one that could partly be handled by 
> allowing the programmer to size the editting window  to 
> exactly the correct length, then manually edit to eliminate 
> wrappings. However, I wouldn't mind if the Dr took the scapel 
> and tried to fix it for me.
> 
> RAC
> 
> On Jul 31, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Jos Koot <jos.koot at telefonica.net> wrote:
> 
> > I am not a student, but try to think and do like student now.
> >
> > I would be very frustrated when all the time I run a 
> program, my code 
> > would be reindented and get quite another appearance. WHAT HAPPENS 
> > HERE, would be my first thought. Reindenting a file before 
> saving it 
> > would give me the same surprise when opening it again. Wow, this 
> > apparently is not the program I have entered. Where is my program???
> >
> > Nevertheless I agree with Matthias that indentation is a 
> very helpfull 
> > tool.
> > But doing that without explicit request seems confusing to 
> me (at the 
> > least)
> >
> > Just a strong advice to type control-I from time to time 
> would not be 
> > adaquate? Furthermore, typing a program with the standard 
> indentation 
> > settings already gives indentation while typing. Wow, 
> that's not the 
> > indentation I expected after my last line-break. Ho, I see, a 
> > parenthesis too much or too less in the previous line. No 
> problem, add 
> > or remove it followed by control-I.
> >
> > BTW, for myself I prefer indentation by exactly as many spaces as 
> > there are unsatisfied open parentheses (for as far as possible, for 
> > shotcuts like '''
> > and '#'' and '#,@' may inhibit my preferred indentation.)
> >
> > Jos
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: users-bounces at racket-lang.org
> >> [mailto:users-bounces at racket-lang.org] On Behalf Of Matthias 
> >> Felleisen
> >> Sent: 31 July 2010 21:14
> >> To: Robby Findler
> >> Cc: Eli Barzilay; racket List
> >> Subject: Re: [racket] syntax, differently
> >>
> >>
> >> The file wouldn't move all the time. It would move on RUN and on 
> >> SAVE.
> >>
> >> Most experienced programmers wouldn't see any movement whatsoever.
> >> Students would see movement for a short time. Then they'd 
> follow the 
> >> flow.
> >>
> >> -- Matthias
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 31, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Robby Findler wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thinking as someone who would be implementing these 
> changes, I can 
> >>> easily see a whole slew of bug reports coming in of the
> >> form "When I
> >>> save my file DrRacket moves all the lines around. What's
> >> going on?!".
> >>> So, while I agree that there is something to be done here 
> vis a vis 
> >>> indentation help in the PDE, I don't think we quite are at
> >> the "try to
> >>> implement it and play with it" stage yet.
> >>>
> >>> Robby
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