[plt-scheme] Sweet-expressions on PLT

From: Rob Hunter (rob.hunter at gmail.com)
Date: Tue Nov 4 11:21:10 EST 2008

Really-quick regarding LeftParen: All this Rails talk is a "marketing"
attempt that apparently has gone bad, and it's totally my fault.
LeftParen really only stole the idea of project directory generation
from Rails.  So, with minimal effort, you can type

% ./script/server

and see something work.  The rest of LP is 100% to help you (the
programmer) so you can just program in (PLT) Scheme.


On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:54 AM, Eduardo Bellani <ebellani at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmmm, this nagare looks pretty sweet.
> I though the same about LeftParen too mate, RoR is already the best RoR in
> the world
> in my view :P. Time to switch paradigms for me, not to incrementally improve
> something.
> I've started on that one because, well, it does have a small hello world
> example that just works! :D
> Since my initial purpose is to just build a blog (the hello world of web
> apps, as the docs of LeftParen
> so wisely says) I've initially stayed with that, but I'm still searching.
> Anyway, thanks for everyone who replied, this thread was very nutritious to
> the brain, hope to
> see more of it.
> hugs
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Marek Kubica <marek at xivilization.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:45:04 -0500
>> "Matt Jadud" <jadudm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I would honestly encourage you to simply attempt to use the language
>> > as-is. Perhaps dive into HtDP (http://www.htdp.org), or (if you're
>> > keen) take a look at projects like LeftParen:
>> I thought about using LaftParen but decided against it. Why? Because as
>> far as I see, it provides the next Rails-like framework. There's
>> nothing wrong with this approach, but I'm already sick of seeing all
>> these frameworks which port the Rails-way over. I tried running
>> Seaside, but haven't yet managed to get it running on any Smalltalk
>> that's not called Squeak. So I settled for Nagare (Python continuation
>> based framework) and the PLT web server. My projects are currently on
>> hold, though, since I don't have much time these days.
>> As of the sweet-expressions.. while I acknowledge the importance of
>> readable code, these sweet-expressions do not look particularly radable
>> to me. They are like enhancing the verboseness of parens with quirky
>> rules for the {}. And I would be really bored if all languages used the
>> exact same syntax, as sweet-expressions try to force them on Scheme.
>> But sure, Eduardo, go ahead and use them. Be sure also to try
>> S-Expressions (together with DrScheme) and find out which ones you
>> prefer.
>> regards,
>> Marek
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